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Davis' Fourth Rebuttal 

In this speech I want to look at some things that have already been brought up but mostly I want to look at some new things.

First on reply to the argument I made on Jeremiah 31:31-34 he said that the law and the covenant are not the same thing, well then Michael, have you not read Deut. 4:13 that states, “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.” Notice that the covenant was to be preformed. The same Hebrew word is used in both passages for this word covenant. So, the covenant that was to be performed (including the Ten Commandments and the Torah) has been done away with and a new Covenant and law has been made with the house of Israel and Judah.

Next Michael said that the law was not to the Jews only; well let’s  look at what the Bible has to say about this. In Ex.19:3-5 the Bible says,

. . . 3 while Moses went up to God. The LORD called to him out of the mountain, saying, "Thus you shall say to the house of Jacob, and tell the people of Israel: 4 You yourselves have seen what I did to the Egyptians, and how I bore you on eagles' wings and brought you to myself. 5 Now therefore, if you will indeed obey my voice and keep my covenant, you shall be my treasured possession among all peoples, for all the earth is mine;”

Question for Michael: How many Gentiles did God send out of Egypt?

Question for Michael: How can they keep/obey God’s covenant if it is not a form of law?

Also notice that in Dut.4:13 the Hebrew word for covenant is בּרית (b'rit). This is also the same Hebrew word in Ex.19:3-5 both having the law included in them why then Michael is it that in Jer31:31-34 when the same Hebrew word is used in the other two passage does it lose some of it meaning?

Next, I want to show what law we are under and who is in authority of this new law.

In Matt.17:1-5 the Bible says,

1 And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves. 2 And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. 3 And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. 4 And Peter said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah." 5 He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased; listen to him." 

Notice here that Peter wants to build three tents/tabernacles for these three people (Moses which represent the old law, Elijah which represents the old prophets and Jesus which represent the New and living way) but notice what God said about this, this is my son, listen to him. Not the law, not the prophets but, Jesus for these other things have had there time and are now to pass away.

Does this inline with the Bible though? The answer to this is yes for, in Col3: 17 the Bible says “And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.”

Notice the phrase in the name of Jesus Christ what does that mean? Well a good example of this is, if I came into Michaels house in the name of the law I would be coming into his house by the authority that the law gives me. So every thing we do we must have authority from Christ and his law not Moses! 

Next in Michael’s last speech he said “Myles goes on to attempt to make a great deal out of my admission that the Torah has “changed.”  However, this fails to deal with (or even acknowledge) my point that only a limited part of the Torah—the High Priesthood—has been transferred to the Messiah Yeshua”. Then he asked me “Myles, exactly why would a change to the Levitical priesthood, which was established nearly a year after Passover and the Sabbath (the first Feasts) and 430 years after circumcision (Gal. 3:17) automatically affect a change in those as well?”

Well Michael because the Bible says so! Hebrews 7:12 “For when there is a change in the priesthood, there is necessarily a change in the law as well.” I don’t know why the Bible says this but it does so you can try to doge and get around this but when this world is on fire this passage will still say what it says. We may not know why it is written but, since it is I am going to obey it how about you?

2 Corinthians 3

3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not steadfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13 And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not steadfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16 Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 Question for Michael: What does verse 11 mean when it says done away with?

In verse 15 what does it mean when it says when Moses is read, the vail is upon their hearts and why do you say Christ has yet to lift this vail when clearly this passage teaches otherwise?

Gal.6:2 – “Bear one another's burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.” Question for Michael: What is the “law of Christ”?

The last thing I want to look at is,

Galatians 5:2-4

2 Look: I, Paul, say to you that if you accept circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you.

3 I testify again to every man who accepts circumcision that he is obligated to keep the whole law.

4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.

Shown here in these passages is where people were trying to do what my friend Michael is doing, they were trying to take a part of the Old Law/Testament (circumcision) and bring it into the New Law/Testament.

As we see from the passage if we try to do this, two things will happen:

1. Christ will be of no advantage to you which means

a) His church has no head (Ephesians 1:22-23)

b) He has no blood (John 19:29)

c) No Holy Spirit (John 7:39)

d) No high priest (Hebrews 8:4)

e) No Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36)

f) No Testament (Hebrews 9:16)

g) No preaching of Christ (Matthew 16:20)

I) No faith in the resurrection (Luke 24:11)

k) No redemption (Hebrews 9:15)

l) No complete gospel (1 Corinthians 5:1-4)

m) No salvation (Hebrews 5:8-9)

Thank you,

Myles Davis

 

 

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