Davis' First Rebuttal 

In this speech I mainly want to deal with Michael’s opening speech. The first thing I want to take a look at is some of the things Michael brought up in his opening speech.

1. Michael said, “The Torah is the very Spirit of Life in the Messiah Yeshua (Romans 8:2)”

Well the truth is Michael in the passage you gave it doesn’t refer to the old law, but rather the law of the spirit that made me free from the law of sin. The old law couldn’t free any one from sin only the blood of Christ can do that. Michael must still be looking for the Christ.

2. Michael said “The Torah is not sin—that is, keeping it is not sinful (Romans 7:7)—but rather is perfect (Psalms 19:7), more precious than gold and silver (Psalms 119:72), Spiritual—that is, of the Spirit (Romans 7:14)—holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12), and a Torah of liberty (Jas. 1:25, 2:12), provided that one uses/interprets it as it is intended (1 Timothy 1:8).”

Let’s look at this point.

a) No, the Torah is not sin, but if you keep it Christ is of no affect to you. Also in Romans 7:4 it says we are dead from the law in the body of Christ.

b) Yes for the Jews the law was, but for us gentiles it wasn’t because we had no right to that law (and still don’t).

c) In James 1:25 it says law of liberty talking about the new law not the old one.

d) The old law was never intended to save anyone, nor for the gentiles.

Question for Michael: Are you dead to the law?

3. Michael said: “The Torah is only “weak” and impossible to keep perfectly because we are weak in our flesh (Romans 8:3) and all fall short of its righteousness (Romans 3:23, Galatians 2:16).  The weakness is in us, not in God’s Word.  That is why we need the Grace of God extended to us in the Messiah Yeshua, and cannot be justified by the “works of the Law” (Romans 3:27, Galatians 2:16).”

Questions for Michael

1. If this is true then does that mean we can be saved by the blood of bulls?

2. Why did God put in force a new law if the old one is strong enough?

4. Michael said: “The Torah curses those who do not keep all of it (Deuteronomy 27:26; Isaiah 5:24, 24:5: Jeremiah 6:19; Romans 4:15; Galatians 3:10)”

But, Michael has told me he doesn’t keep all of the Torah Things like going to Jerusalem every year and animal sacrifices.) so the law is a curse to him.

Michael also said: It was these curses that Messiah took upon Himself and redeemed us from (Galatians 3:13).

Question for Michael: Does this mean Christ did away with the Torah?

5. Michael said: “The Torah also blesses those who keep its commandments (Deuteronomy 28:1ff, 30:9f).  Now that the curses of the Torah have been taken away, all that remains is for us to receive its blessings.”

According to Galatians 3:5, (Which Michael has yet to deal with) it says you will be a debtor to the whole law.

Which is right Michael or the Bible?

6.There are some things Michael said like: “The blessed, righteous, and wise meditate on the Torah day and night (Joshua 1:8; Psalms 1:2, 119:97)” and, “Agreement with the Torah is one of the tests of a true prophet (Deuteronomy 12:32-13:5, Isaiah 8:20).”

Something I think Michael needs to stop and look at is who is talking and who are they talking to.

In these passages Jewish believers are talking to Jewish believers. Michael aren’t you a gentile? Also wasn’t the torah for Jews only?

There is something I what to bring to Michael’s attention, according to his doctrine Matthew 5:17 and Hebrew 10:9 contradicts what he believes, but I can take both passages in my doctrine.

Now do these two passages contradict each other? No, there are two different Greek words here that are both translated as the word abolish.

Also Michael said: “It is time to prayerfully re-examine Paul’s writings in the context of his life and times, as I will do in my next response.”

Well let us not wait until then, the context of Paul’s life is that he was a Jewish Apostle who knew the Old law was done away with, but he did not want to put a stumbling block in front of those of whom he was teaching (Romans 14:13-19) which I would like to look at.

13.Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.

14.I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself, but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

15.For if your brother is grieved by what you eat, you are no longer walking in love. By what you eat, do not destroy the one for whom Christ died.

16.So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil.

17.For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

18.Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men.

19.So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding.

Some things Paul knew about the old law.

1. It was done away with.

2. He was trying to convert Jews who thought the old law was still in affect (just like Michael) so he keep the old law that he wouldn’t put a stumbling block in front of those he was trying to teach.

The last thing I want to look at is Michaels attempt to deal with my illustration.

To try to rebut it Michael said: “It is true that we formally separated from the King of Britain, and so from British Law.  Is Mr. Davis actually claiming that we have rebelled and separated from Israel’s King in the same manner?”

No I am not let me explain this again.

1. We didn’t rebel agents the king of England he said we where out of his Protection but that doesn’t matter.  

2. The point I was making (And Michael total missed) is this

Before 1775 the thirteen colonies of the United States were under the law of Britain, but from 1775-1783 there was bloodshed and after the war we where no longer under the British law, but under the law of the Untied States.

Now are there things from the British law that was put into the United States’ law?

Yes, but does that make it the British law? No and, I can’t say that we are under the British law because we where before 1775.

Same with the Bible, God enforced a Law for man called the Old Law or Old Testament, but then there was bloodshed (by Jesus Christ) and then by that bloodshed, God put us under the New Law/Testament. Now are there things from the Old Law that are put into the New Law? Yes, but does that make it the Old Law? No and I cannot say we are under the Old Law because people before Christ’s death were.

I think that covers most of Michaels first speech.

6.But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.

Question for Michael: What kind of fruits are you baring?

Myles Davis